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Post by Rob on Nov 5, 2005 15:18:20 GMT 1
Well I'm going, sitting on your arse worrying that you may be considered too worthy or poncey if you express your political views or try to make a difference gets fuck all done. thankyou eben! well said.
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Post by mralec on Nov 5, 2005 17:14:40 GMT 1
Well I'm going, sitting on your arse worrying that you may be considered too worthy or poncey if you express your political views or try to make a difference gets fuck all done. I am not going to be sitting on my arse worrying about it being poncey to express my views, helping stop something can be done in more ways than just going to a thing. Giving money and supporting the cause are very important, and not going to someplace and instead supporting the cause in a different manner will not mean that everything will fail and that we are pretentious twats.
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Post by greasychipbutty on Nov 5, 2005 18:50:35 GMT 1
Well I'm going, sitting on your arse worrying that you may be considered too worthy or poncey if you express your political views or try to make a difference gets fuck all done. My considered opinion is <snip> Giving money gets things done, and I'd rather give to causes in shops etc than go to something i'm really not interest in. God knows how much I've given recently. This may seem like I'm bragging, but I gave a fiver to the earthquake appeal, more than most people, but I get shit from people like you if I don't turn up a certain event, don't dress up and the like so<edited as I have now calmed down> Giving money gets things done, which I what I do. I give lots of money whether I have to sit through a fucking fashion show or not.
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Post by mralec on Nov 5, 2005 19:28:26 GMT 1
Ditto.
And for the dressing up day i gave alot of money and i gave more to Amjad in town when he was collecting, now, would me dressing up to get into the paper have made the earthquake surviors homes and gotten them fed? No, the money did. Dressing up is something which to some people at school has become the main priotiry to them, not the reason for this. Bastards.
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Post by greasychipbutty on Nov 5, 2005 22:15:47 GMT 1
Why aye Alec.
I'm all for good causes but to my mind if I buy fair trade stuff and give to charity I shouldn't have to sit through a fashion show, which is waaaaaaaaaaay down on my to do list.
Lets face it, half of my clothes come from oxfam, which is a) not fashionable and b)charitable.
I refuse to accept that I'm uncharitable, poncey and consider my self worthy just because I don't go to a bloody fashion show.
Eben, did you go to the united match which supported breast cancer charities? Did you Rob?
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Post by eben on Nov 6, 2005 10:10:59 GMT 1
'Listening to some pretentious twats telling us how good and noble they are'
Sorry Guesty but it was that line that got to me, you seemed to be suggesting that the fashion show was just event for people to brag about how great they are which it isn't. The reason I'm going when I would never go to a normal fashion event is because showing off what good clothes you can buy from fair trade organisations is something that will make more people buy them and will have a really positive effect. Most people are ignorant about fair trade clothing, I know I am, and if this event aims to change that. Using that blades match as an example it wasn't just about raising money for breast cancer charities it was about raising awareness as well.
And I never said either you or Alec didn't give money to charities.
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Post by Rob on Nov 6, 2005 13:52:42 GMT 1
iv never called either of you uncharitble! i know you give to charity lots! but showing support to a cause is important too. by that i mean actually showing your face at an event which is gonna get media coverage, which shows the support a campaign has. i agree with you about the dressing up, it does seem bad that people blow loads of money on costume which could be used for use. before anyone makes a sarcastic comment about the busking, it took no planning, cost us nothing, was good fun and raised £80. i couldnt afford to give that much but by doing something we raised another 80 quid which they wouldnt have got.
this fashion show isnt just an excuse for self righteous people to go "look how great we are, arnt we kind and super and considerate?" as eben said its raising awareness, its not about condemnation of other clothes or trying to persuade you to buy llama hair ponchos or anything. if instead of buying a t shirt at topshop, people bought them from an ethical producer taht has to be a good thing. and if we can persuade just one shop to consider going fair trade it must have been worth it.
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Post by greasychipbutty on Nov 6, 2005 19:13:06 GMT 1
It doesn't make any difference If I show up or not!
Daily Mail Headline "Guesty and Alec show up at charity fashion show". Can't see it somehow. Eben, I agree most people with have good intentions with the show, but you can bet your bottom dollar some will do exactly what I stated above. Not all, by any means, but some.
Rob, I didn't knock your busking at all, that was great, it is merely the costume wankers which got to me. You two didn't go to the united match as you are interested in football, I'm not going to this as i don't care about fashion. I see no difference.
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Post by Rob on Nov 6, 2005 19:15:44 GMT 1
im talking generally, its gonna gets more attention if 200 people show up than if 20 people do. tbh, i cant think of anyone who's involved in this who's gonna get up themselves about it all tbh
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Post by greasychipbutty on Nov 6, 2005 19:20:08 GMT 1
As a rule: Anyone in fashion is up themselves.
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Post by Rob on Nov 6, 2005 19:23:38 GMT 1
we are not "in fashion" though. we are buying the odd thing from websites to show as an example, we are not anything to do with the websites so have no ulteria motive for showing them apart from showing that fare trade stuff isnt just yoga robes.
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Post by greasychipbutty on Nov 6, 2005 19:28:04 GMT 1
I meant the organisers...
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Post by Rob on Nov 6, 2005 19:33:43 GMT 1
we are the organisers.
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Post by greasychipbutty on Nov 6, 2005 19:43:07 GMT 1
Other than you two.
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Post by mralec on Nov 6, 2005 19:45:58 GMT 1
No you are not.
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